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Warning Against Using Ziphone
June 17, 2008 by Brooke
Categories: BigBoss, Uncategorized
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BigBoss has written an article warning against the use of Ziphone. Below is what he has to say:
Question:
Could you please elaborate on the permanent changes caused by Ziphone? All unlocking/jailbreaking methods modify the phone in some way, at least they patch baseband, and pwnage patches bootloader. I know that Ziphone downgrades the 4.6 bootloader to 3.9 (which has been thought to be permanent until pwnage came out), but so does iLiberty+, iDemocracy and any other unlock method that is not based on pwnage.Answer:
First off, iLiberty+ does not downgrade your bootloader by default. It downgrades you to 3.9 fakeblank which is easily reversible and not dangerous. This is not the same thing as 3.9 used by Ziphone! Ziphone downgrades the bootloader to 3.9 automatically. If this process fails, you’re done. This process considered so risky that Apple does not do any bootloader upgrades in their firmware packages! They could have put a stop to all the unlocks when 1.1.2 came out by having the 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 firmware upgrade upgrade old bootloaders to 4.6 but they considered this too risky and did not do it! Ziphone does it anyway.
Zibri has had so many releases that fix “type-o’s”. That’s just silly. The code is so sloppy and buggy. Some versions will unlock even when you did not ask it to resulting in a downgraded bootloader just on a request to jailbreak! Neat
Ziphone is also very dangerous because it does all the flashing (most risky part) during the first phase of the ram disk. During this phase, allocating too much memory can result in ram disk corruption. This is very bad. You want to minimize the amount of memory used as much as possible and you only care about stability. Ziphone doesn’t worry about this. Due to the technique used to boot the ramdisk, the memory is easily corrupted if you try to allocate too much of it. The result is that you are corrupting the very data that you are flashing!
iLiberty+, iPlus both use a smaller ram disk to flash. This minimizes the amount of memory used and takes great care to prevent memory allocations from corrupting the ram disk. Then these tools come back on a second pass to install payloads. This is done after the flashing is done where there is no risk.
As a result, several ziphone users have reported problems with no edge, no wifi, no bluetooth or a combination of the 3. In many cases this is unfixable. Zibri has added a wifi “fix” to his app which works sometimes, but this programs a bogus network address that is the same on every phone.
You can read the entire article at sleepers.net.
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i knew ziphone was full of crap and now i know why
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Braden on June 17th, 2008 9:39 am:
Finally the dangers and problems with ZiPhone are revealed to the masses.
jo on June 17th, 2008 12:50 pm:
That’t the issue….
you are hate the guy bcos he stole from greed Coders…
Not that Ziphone is bad.
I unlocked mine with Ziphone… I bootloader remains the same.
Just say you don’t like the Guy.. I will believe…that.
jo on June 17th, 2008 1:05 pm:
Brooke,
In good faith delete this post….
It is nothing but a bad campaign amongst developers.
All the Unlocking tools have issues.
I respect you guys and what you have going here. This is bad and has no place on your website unless you want to be the TMZ of Iphones.
joel on June 17th, 2008 2:54 pm:
completely agree with jo… The post should not be on here. I enjoy this site unbiased.
Jesse on June 17th, 2008 6:50 pm:
I have never had any problem with Ziphone and have used it on loads of friends iphones.
tom on June 17th, 2008 11:54 pm:
agreed as well, complete bias review by BigBoss and completely shows a bias by this being posted on this typically unbiased site. Especially with the article title of “Warning Against Using Ziphone”… tsk tsk.
Bono01 on June 18th, 2008 5:10 am:
I`ve started a Poll on mactechnews.de and 88% of the now 51 voters have had no Problems with ZiPhone until now. So i can`t understand the warning. I think most of the problems are based in “not reading the tutorials” or using other Programs first and then ZiPhone and so on. If you`re interested, take a look at the Poll, here`s the Link to it:
http://www.mactechnews.de/forum/thread.html?id=261682&page=2
Sahil Arora on June 19th, 2008 12:05 pm:
it clearly says ziphone works most of the time but it has it dangers, its just like a warning on a pack of smokes, I know the dangers of smoking so i dont smoke, a smoker knows the dangers of smoking but he does not stop smoking!? In the same way we all know the hazzards of ziphone and those who want to use it will, as for me, iLiberty and winpwn are what i will use.
zibri himself said he is a bad coder and if the creater of ziphone says it might have bad coding then he himself is warning us of a substandard product. Use it or not this should stay up just like cigi warnings all over the place
I used Ziphone (3.0) on both of my iphones and they work great. The one in front of me shows the bootloader as 4.6, not sure of the other as it just recently got stolen from my daughter. I’m not saying that Ziphone is the best or not, as I have only used it (3 time now) and never had a problem. I only give this as info that my bootloader is still 4.6 not 3.9.
PS. Both phone were jailbroken, but only one was unlocked.
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Paul D. Spradling on June 17th, 2008 10:54 am:
Is the one that has BL4.6 the one that’s not unlocked?…
If so then there’s your answer.
Jon on June 18th, 2008 4:34 am:
So is Ziphone safe for the Touch ? I used version 3.0 to ulouck my 32Gb and it *appears* to be OK, despite me loosing a couple of icons.
Sahil Arora on June 19th, 2008 12:09 pm:
jailbreaking has nothing to do with bootloader therefore ur BL will not change, unlocking flashes the bl and so the bl of the unlocked phone will be 3.9
and no ziphone is not safe for the touch
search hackint0sh
maddcatt on June 20th, 2008 8:57 pm:
Thanks for the info. Is it safe to use for jailbreaking if your not going to unlock your phone?
well I’ m very septic about this article I allways use ziphine and iliberty and sometimes both on the same iPhone and never never had any problems neither with iliberty some toe
I unlocked a 1.1.3 with ziphine then upgrade it and unlocked with zphone and have no problems everything work like a charm! Or some time in the other way I all ready unlock 245 iPhones here in Mexico and any client come back with any problem on the contrary they came back for more! I’m don’t know if we have to belive this article! I’ really septic!
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Paul D. Spradling on June 17th, 2008 10:51 am:
Dude, if you’re unlocking a lot of iPhones it would be easier to Pwn them and restore to a custom firmware.
Skylar on June 17th, 2008 12:14 pm:
If you’re skeptical, I don’t know if this help,. but I second this 100%. I have been advising poeple against using ziphone since the beginning of ziphone.
–Skylar
have used ziphone to unlock…. no big issues so far.
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hi.
Im not sure but some of the other methods are based on ziphone 2.0 right?
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Dennis on June 17th, 2008 10:03 am:
no, they use the same method. but are not based on ziphone.
HITCH on June 17th, 2008 10:07 am:
i have had try iplus, iLiberty+, pwnage and winpwn and for my xperience ziphone is the most stable method i have had try and never fails..
Whatever u say mate.. Zibri is always the 1st one to come up with solutions to all the problems.. And all the people who are talking trash about him right now will surely turn to ziphone when he unlocks the 3g iphone..
I’ve never had any problems
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kvisions on June 17th, 2008 10:39 am:
Zibri is the 1st? I’m afraid you need a bit of a history lesson. Zibri’s entire jailbreak career is based upon the work of countless others; work he stole, then gave no credit for. Just because you’ve never had problems, doesn’t mean no one ever has. Ziphone is Dangerous.
jo on June 17th, 2008 12:49 pm:
That’t the issue….you are agree he stole from greed Coders… Not that Ziphone is bad.
I unlocked mine with Ziphone… I bootloader remains the same.
Just say you don’t like the Guy.. I will believe…that.
I have unlocked more than 30 iphones with Ziphone and none of them have had any problem at all, how come after all this time using this unlocking comes someone to tell us is that is risky?. I simply do not believe that.
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what can I do , if I already used ZiPhone to unlock and jailbreak my iphone? With pwnage I should be able to make everything like it was before and maybe I can use it to update to 2.0, when it’s finaly there.
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I never had any problems with it, my phone was 1.0.2 OTB but I unlocked an 1.1.2 OTB for my friend and like after a month it kinda broke… Then I kept
getting that “apple
repair needed” message!
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I agree with most of you. I’ve used Ziphone to repeatedly jailbreak my iPhone. I’ve recommended it to all my iPhone using friends. For my purposes it has a 100% success rate. What gives?
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pwnage works the best. Least lethal with the most features.
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can t see the point said now what ziphone does……… already 2 millions of iphone are using this program… i see a lot of hate about zibri at the moment around forum..
ps my 1.1.4 goes so fast….
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I have Unlocked my iPhone with Zibris ZiPhone and it works very well. I have no Problems with my iPhone. And i feel secure to Unlock the Firmware 2.0 with the next ZiPhone version as well.
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Well when I upgraded my phone recently to 1.1.4 (I know totally behind the time here) anyways I looked around to see what would be the best program to use and the first one that I tried was iliberty+ and to tell you the truth I really didn’t like it cause I had no installer maybe I did it wrong or something but I only had cydria (?) and that was not working for me cause I could not add sources therefore I could not get the programs I wanted plus it seem not to work as fast I had a lot of basic programs sticking… I go tired of it so, I went and unlocked it with Ziphone and have had no problems with it in fact my phone is now working faster then before… So in my opinion its really a hit or miss, for some people it will work and some will just have problems with it… and those people just need to try something eles….
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texanmex on July 12th, 2008 10:40 pm:
Cydia is the default installer since it was created by the creator of iliberty themselves.you can choose to not include it by unchecking the box and if u want, u can check the iinstaller too. The problem with most people is that they don’t read instructions and how-to’s before doing stuffs and when something negative comes up they blame the program right away. A nation of whinners indeed.
I think we should expect a reply from Zibri.
It is better to hear both sides before judging. Don’t you think so?
Take care
Ar.
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pooch on June 17th, 2008 10:41 am:
I fully agree. Send this to Zibri and let him reply. Zibri’s method is 99% success imo
This is just silly. Im asking you why this article shows up at this point of time,though ziphone is out 4 ages???
Well..you gotta b an idiot not to know. The release of iphone 3G..Firmware 2.0. This is just dissing. Everybody wanna be 1. to unlock 2.0..and it seems that zibri is on the right way. The other hacker’s fear,that Ziphone will be the most used programm to unlock
the new iphones is the answer. This is big buisness!!
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I used to be an operator in Zibri’s support irc channel. We often found it IMPOSSIBLE to assist many users whose iPhones or iPod Touches had been rendered inoperable due to issues related with Ziphone. Zibri’s answer? “They must have used something else prior to ziphone.” Disputing this resulted in an immediate kick/ban.
It’s nice to see this getting some attention, however in light of my experiences and many countless others, I’ve been advising against Ziphone’s use for months. Yes, it may work without issue, but it’s far to risky.
At the moment, the only viable solution for Windows users is iLiberty. winpwn, while better than ziphone by far, has some stability issues in its current iteration, issues I hope its developer will address soon.
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HITCH on June 17th, 2008 10:53 am:
Well.. i think its and opinion… iLiberty+ have put my phone on deperate situations and the only tool that helped me to get back on track was ziphone…. let`s be objetive STOP the drama.
The method works fast and good..it`s safe and Z always came first and that what it matters for me..
I think this is getting to personal between dev`s… and i remember that long time ago Z was part of the dev´s team and back then was all was ok.?.. and now is risky…
Sorry, nice try to put down the method but more that 3 millons phones are h_appy.. (like mine). And if someone comes with a better method i`ll probably try it… but i know ziphone its always arround to fix the other`s methods issues..
kvisions on June 17th, 2008 4:21 pm:
I’m being quite objective, thanks. The fact is, as a support member of #ziphone on tux-irc, I was often stumped by greyed wifi, corrupted mac addresses, and many other issues that ziphone cause. I wasn’t alone in my inability to help these people; None of the other ops or helpers could either. Zibri himself refused to either address the problem, nor identify a fix for it. Fact is, it took iLiberty to give these bricked iphone users a way out; and even today it takes a fair bit of technical expertise to pull it off.
It’s unfortunate that you and others wish to chalk this up to dev-team retribution; the truth is, this is anything but. Ziphone is dangerous; has been since 2.0, and recommending it is irresponsible. The evidence against it is solid and unrefuteable.
Jo on June 17th, 2008 5:01 pm:
no kvision…
we have to restore a thousand times bcos of bad apps from ur guys that dont test there apps looking for quick so called donations… We know who they are now.
HITCH on June 17th, 2008 6:47 pm:
Well the greyness wi-fi i hadit using iLibrety..
its very odd dont you thing and im not put Dev´s works down i just said that someone with the + on the mIRC channel not the ziphone channel. Maked my phone got crazy after the intrution by ssh in that #iphone .. banning just because using ziphone method… and manny other abuses.. too much drama for me.
I dont know what to think im not a techy person i just stick to the fact that only ziphone has done it right in my case (week 27 / 39 iphone) and manny others phone´s that i had apply that method..
Ziph-Lord
texanmex on July 12th, 2008 10:53 pm:
Man, when the first iPhone came out last year it took me a week of research and half day of unlocking and jailbreaking yet I was not confident enough to do it again so the next time I used the paid services of iphonesimfree.com. When ziphone came out, jailbreaking and unlocking become easier and free.hacking the iPhone was so new that u can’t expect perfection. If think otherwise then create ur own or sign a contract with at&t.
i dont trust bigboss anymore. Everytime u post a quote from his blog hes always WRONG. Ive NEVER had a single problem with ziphone. In fact ive used it on my iphone 20 times +. This is all speculation or because people turned their phones off during the process.
I understand that the no wifi was real but zibri has patched it and so has pwnage.
Bigboss is an app coder, not a jailbreaker, so what gives him the right to repeatedly coders?????
For instance his post about iclarified. Hr warned against the installer fix. It helped me. He sad it damaged installer but it actually worked better.
If your not gonna trust someone, let it be bigboss himself
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rp4k on June 17th, 2008 7:55 pm:
LOL 20times LOL pwanage 1 time and that was over a course of 5+ months
BS! I try of sorts of stuff on my 1.1.4, and it’s forever locking up. I’ll bet I’ve restored and re-jailbroken my phone over 100 times. I use Ziphone exclusively, and I’ve never encountered a problem. My Bootloader is still 4.6.
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MadHacker on June 17th, 2008 1:57 pm:
If there are no problem, why restore over 100 times ??? “it forever locking up”, “use Ziphone exclusively” ??? Sounds like major issues to me
When it comes down to taking BigBoss’s advice (a code writer), or Zibri’s (not a code writer), I think it would be wise to listen to the Boss!
I originally jailbroke my iPhone using ziphone and it downgraded my bootloader to 3.9 and greyed my bluetooth! I have since used Winpwn and bootneuter and my bootloader is fixed. However, my bluetooth is lost and gone forever without a restore, and I’m not sure that a restore will fix it. I won’t use ziphone again! I think people use ziphone because it’s the easiest. iLiberty+ and Winpwn require a little thought.
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jo on June 17th, 2008 1:19 pm:
That’s becos you restored with Itunes…learn to use these products. They all have issues if you don’t use them correctly. 3.9 is better than 4.6. For those without AT&T.
Ken on June 17th, 2008 1:45 pm:
If ZiPhone changes the Bootloader permanently, then how were you able to get it “fixed”. doesn’t make sense.
Scott on June 17th, 2008 9:13 pm:
First of all jo, you’re comment made no sense whatsoever and I know how to use “these products”!
Ken if you had read what I had to say you would have noticed that I did not state that ziphone downgraded my bootloader permanently. I used bootneuter to re-flash my bootloader to 4.6….
Well I have been using every program out there!!!! and when some of them fails… I use Ziphone, to fix my phone in case of emergency, and Ziphone never fails….
I try to PWNAGE my phone, but fails, I needed to make a urgent call and used Ziphone to fix it… without problems, and then PWNAGE my phone… with succes!!! When the 2.0 OS comes out I will use Ziphone.!!!
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rp4k on June 17th, 2008 7:59 pm:
old pwnage won’t work if you have used ziphone on your phone first.
JigaNet on June 20th, 2008 7:53 am:
Well I had to wait for the WINPWN, because I don’t have a MAC, I guess that makes it the new one, till the RC!!! I also use iLiberty++ but my firts one was Ziphone, in Febrary ….
I have also jailbroken many iPhone and have had no problem with ZiPhone 3.0. It works everytime and is very easy to use. When Zibri Jailbreaks 2.0 is when I get 3G.
People want simple Jailbreaking. Restore, install a program, plug in the phone and click on one button and 60secs you’re done.
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so… if ziphone my iphone… how do i fix it ???
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HITCH on June 17th, 2008 12:54 pm:
redoo process… maybe you didnt follow the instructions..
rp4k on June 17th, 2008 8:01 pm:
restore in iTunes first and then use winpwn final or pwnage
well i start my first jailbreak out with zipphone, and hey dudes it was really good, i think the same, no problems, and if they come i patched, but due to some issues using safari that was working, good, but sometimes it just can load websites, and i need to refresh tons of times, i was looking for a restore, and after it several content remains on ipod the other bar that itunes recognized was not erased, and my safari still have problems, with it, so i was looking for a way to revigignize it, but cant with that baseband changed i cant, even used the zibri tool to erase it, so i will like to say that even if zipphone really works, and mostly cant causes any problems, its so risky
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Thanks for the warning!
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I’ve used ziphone for my 1.1.4 iPhone too and had no problems.
This seems like a load of scare tactics to get people to switch to iLiberty if you ask me.
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I am a Pwnage Supporter !
I also agree that ZiPhone is not a good way to unlock the iPhone, But BigBoss should not spread rumours about Zibri that he cant code !!!
I am too disappointed with BigBoss !!!
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rp4k on June 17th, 2008 8:03 pm:
he stole code from. blog.iPhone-dev.org
Jash Sayani on June 19th, 2008 3:42 pm:
Whatever!
At least I stole it and did something !!!
I had 15,000 downloads in the first hour!!! Thats almost the no. that Insomnia got in all these months…..
Who cares about the rest…..
ziphone works for thousends of people,that is all there is to know about it,keep up the good work zibri.
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I downloaded the Baseband info on my iPod Touch but it doesn’t show my baseband it says Not Found..
So does this mean the iPod Touch doesn’t have a Baseband?
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Bono01 on June 17th, 2008 1:17 pm:
The Apple iPod touch does not have a baseband.
This is only the case at the iPhone.
Thank you for posting this article.
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Zibri on June 19th, 2008 3:45 pm:
Look Who writes !!!
I atleast made a solution to Unlock iPhones with just a click for newbies!
And you didn’t do a damn thing! USELESS !!!
Skylar on June 19th, 2008 4:20 pm:
First off, neither of us made a tool to unlock or jailbreak a phone. And since I don’t to around proclaiming to the world that I did, that makes me one better than you, now doesn’t it.
I unlocked/jailbroke my new 16GB with iLiberty, everything went smooth, but now i have that 3.9 bootloader. How do i get back to 4.6 bootloader? what do i use?
thanks guys
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ahab228 on June 17th, 2008 12:49 pm:
try Bootneuter
rp4k on June 17th, 2008 8:04 pm:
correct use bootneuter
Scott on June 17th, 2008 8:37 pm:
Bootneuter is correct. Read a good tutorial (like iSpazios) before using bootneuter. Used incorrectly it can be dangerous..
I have used Ziphone multiple times to jailbreak my 1.1.4 and so far the only problem i have encountered was the glitch where erasing the Zibri’s blog shortcut would cause the SWOD (which was rather wierd). Most likely, when the 2.0 firmware comes out im going to swap over to pwnage anyway for the extra features.
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ok, so its dangerous…i would think every jailbreaking method is somewhat dangerous…we all know the risks….it comes down to this…it works…period…its simple..period.
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keep going Zibri just keep going
my iPhone is working well no problem
the only problem i had so far is when i installed BOSSTOOL to move fonts to free memory,,,and hup my phone was locked and could restore reunlock rejailbreak etc again, thanks for the super tool
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I nearly exclusively used ZiPhone on almost 40 iPhone that I unlocked without ever a glitch … only had 2 iphones where the process failed … BUT as stated on the program… just quit and retry .. which I did and it worked for those 2 …
)
For those wondering … I do have a small problem is that after a restore, iTunes messes things up so I always recommend NOT to restore from iTunes but restart from scratch… (there are plenty of tools now to save all the settings…)…
For the notice I tried iLiberty and Pwnage but both (specially Pwnage) made my iPhone fairly unstable…
And as far as the bootloader …. you DO have the option to downgrade it or not … you can use ZiPhone straight out of the box OR start reading the different possibilities … seriously … it helps ..
Anyway … I use ZiPhone and will until…
Well Done Zibri…
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fab_rick on June 17th, 2008 6:40 pm:
The problems you are getting are from the permissions settings in your /var/mobile/ folder (user folder). If you use SSH or secure FTP you can navigate to /var and recursively set the permissions for mobile to 755. This will solve a lot of issues including notes and bookmarks not saving and applications crashing.
Yea I use the Ziphone to jailbreak my ipod, and it works perfectly nothing goes wrong with it. I use wi-fi and everything great. I use 3.0. I havent had one problem when i jailbreaked my ipod touch using the Ziphone 3.0. It works perfectly for me.
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Xynetor on June 17th, 2008 2:38 pm:
Bono01 Said that the iPod Touch doesn’t use the baseband so the huge warning isn’t that important for it.
I agree with a post way up there where this is just a bash against zibri and ZiPhone. I’ve used ziphone several times on my phone and each time it went bad was because of some other app I’ve installed that screwed me up. I don’t like think that bashing zibri and ziphone is helpful to anyone.
If you want everyone continue to trust this site, I suggest giving the GOOD and BAD of all the different Jailbreak and Unlock methods and let everyone make their own decision.
For me…I’ll continue to stick with ZiPhone.
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How about a poll to see what people have used with success?
Only vote on the one that has worked the best can not vote just because you’ve tried it.
Ziphone-
iLiberty-
Pwned
Let the people speak.
-Luis
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Helen on July 6th, 2008 9:32 pm:
Yeah that’s a REALLY good idea, because I’m confused on whether or not to use Ziphone now..
I jailbroke my 16GB iTouch 1.1.1 OTB originally with whatever that one click web app was. worked great. i recently upped to 1.1.4 and jailbroke with Ziphone. I have flaky WIFI issues, I restored 1.1.4 and rejailbroke with iLiberty+ and I’m a happy camper once again.
For those of you that have redone you iPhone 30 or over 100 times using Ziphone ??? thats like least once or twice a week ??? and that’s not a problem ??? I’ve done mine like 3 times in the 6 months. The original jailbreak, one bad update, one good update.
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Ok I need help.
I WAS unlocked in 1.1.4 using Ziphone. All nice and dandy. Everything works.
Then I decide to take a look at iDemocracy. I like what I see but for some reason I don’t come up as jailbroken in the iDemocracy window. So I decide, “What the heck! I’ll just jailbreak with iDemocracy!”
So I go ahead and press JAILBREAK.
The process starts and I leave. In 1 hour I come back and I see a spinning dial. I go u-oh. So I say, “What the heck! I’ll just do a full restore through iTunes!”
So, I go ahead and force quit the phone. After the screen is black for a while I hold down the home button and connect to my MacBook. Nothing happens! I continue to hold down the home button and hold down the sleep/wake button as well. Nothing happens!! I stop holding the home button and instantly the screen goes to apple logo. Then I am back to the spinning logo.
So my question is, HOW DO I RESTORE MY PHONE!
Thanks for all the help and please reply to email (oliverames@gmail.com)
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OK
I finally managed to get it in recovery mode.
Now I try to connect to the software update server but it won’t work.
After about 5 minutes the phone streams code again!
Update: It is in recovery mode for 5 seconds.
Help?
I need to restore my iPhone.
Also, does anybody know where the blooming 1.1.4 file is online!?
I want it!
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Jo on June 17th, 2008 5:04 pm:
son restore and download ziphone
Joey on June 17th, 2008 6:56 pm:
mate, use iNdependence, ziphone isnt worth it.
oliver on June 18th, 2008 5:18 am:
no kidding!
i’m just going to delete ziphone
iLiberty works great!!
I’ve used Ziphone on all 3 iPhones I have unlocked and jailbroken with no problems, and it’d what we’ve recommended in the past at the-iBlog. What alternative do people prefer and why?
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Oliver on June 17th, 2008 3:17 pm:
I don’t know.
I’m Phuced after using iDemocracy
not even being able to restore!
I’ve had this iphone since it came out. It has gone thru all sort of jailbrakes and unlocks and i admit that it kinda got frustrating when an error came up and i had to restore everything. The Ziphone was the solution ever since it came out, i had no hopes on using 1.1.3 because it would always crash and restore untill he showed an easy way to jailbrake it. Ever since 1.1.4, he’s methods of jailbraking and unlocking were the easiest, and take it from a satisfied iphone user with t-mobile… Ziphone is so worth the time. As of now i had no chashes or reboots to restore. Zibri is the shiiiet!
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dont knw wht really is bad or good but i’ve used ziphone 2 unlock 20+ iphones all 1.1.4 and none have had problems…i looked at idemo and some others but i heard that every1 was happy with ziphone…so i stuck with this…my iphone works great but i u say its bad n messes up the bootloader what should one do?
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Personally i’ve used ziphone about 10 times now with no problems at all i really think this entire thing is bogus i think its a way of him to draw traffic away from ziphone to some of the smaller programmers. i do realize that the method is risky but i’ve had no problems at all.
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I second the idea of a poll to see the jailbreak methods used the most, i think it would be interesting, especially if ziphone comes out as #1
As for Oliver, you might find some of the things your looking for on ispazio, translate it through google.
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IT took me forever to get this posted. about ziphone be see thats why we at the DEVTEAM were so mad. but if you want to see the new pwnage 1.2 check us out at http://blog.iphone-dev.org
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Thank goodness! I hate zibri with a passion. He steals all of the good hackers work and makes it appear like he is the first.
He just the best blogger, that is all. He’s like a used car salesman.
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it only took them about 6 months to post this topic but its about time.. at least the diehard ziphone fans will now realize what they ahve done and why they have had problems.. anyways new pwnage comes out soon for 2.0 and 3g iphones
just check the blog or click my name for link
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Jo on June 17th, 2008 5:14 pm:
I dont want to be rude bcos I know u all are doing a good job. I am a software developer too and I know I can take a look at ur code and have issues with it.
Now how many downloads do u have Gor ur app? 25000? Ziphone had over 3 million. Now that tells me he is going somewhere.
Now if u guys just come out and say you just dont like him, I will understand.
rp4k on June 17th, 2008 8:07 pm:
jo he stole the dev teams code go to core.osx86.hu on IRC #iPhone and we can all prove you wrong and show you what code he failEd to give others credit to
Jo on June 17th, 2008 10:13 pm:
rpk4.. I was open source right? As a developer yes you should always give credit when credit is due but dont say the work is bad. I will never do that.
My bootloader shows 4.6_M3S2
I’ve used ZiPhoneOSX a few times now. I’ve even jailbroken friend’s phones. No problems.
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When Zibri came with Ziphone at the fist time, no one said that its crap….
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It amazes me that people are still using ZiPhone after solid evidence has been released that it’s dangerous.
I jailbroke my iPhone for the first time using 2.5. It worked fine. I didnt know if I unlocked it, it would downgrade my bootloader.
Then I jailbroke again when ZiPhone 3.0 was released and had major problems. Every app I tried to download, I got a Main Script Execution Failed. Also, Safari bookmarks would not save. I restored, and did NOT use any backups. Jailbroke again, and had the same errors. Restored once again, and tried iLiberty and it worked fine.
Thank goodness for the Dev Team, you know, the people who don’t steal code? They released BootNeuter and I am no back with my 4.6 bootloader.
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Someone on June 17th, 2008 6:34 pm:
who said it´s dangerous? you? a weblog? someone you know only trough internet?
and whats the problem about a developer ’stealing’ code? all coders that can ‘unlock’ an iphone should join to make a better unlocker and stop us about their ‘own’ codes and stuff.
That is very corius because i had same issue last time i did iL+ and i havent saw any eveidence of the dangerous of the ziphone.
But on my experience i have suffer the intent of someone that i dont know if is a dev´s minioms or somthing that hide on IRC and somehow mess with the phone after they found out its ziphone method
I respect other opinions what i dont accept is the war againt ziphone.
For me its very hard to beleave that if where any risk of damaging the phone. the advertize on national Italian TV give recognition to Zibri with the one and only secure method of liberating the iphone.
Why instead of taking garbage abouth the method.
NOOnes havent come with something better and more secure.
Make Daddy proud
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Ahh..Haters. There will always be HATERS. Okay, listen to yourselves. There’s risk invovled in all these methods, even BigBoss said, the other jailbreak methods “minimize” the risk. That means there’s a risk. I have jailbroken my iPhone with iBrickr, Ziphone, Pwnage and iLiberty. My iPhone is a “BEAST” its withstood all these and is still going strong. Ziphone has worked and performed better for me. I had issues with the others, freezes, etc. After Pwnage I restored and went back to Ziphone. It just works better for my phone. Maybe I’ll stick with my undestuckable first Gen iPhone instead of buying the 3G in July. The rest of you HATERS, get a life and use whatever makes you happy. Zibri is on top and when your on top, no matter how you got there, people will hate you. Zibri for President!! LOL
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Bla Bla Bla Bla… Ziphone dangerous? Maybe, who knows???! Your iPhone/iTouch definitely does! ‘Cause some had no problems using it, some did (too bad!). Myself i didnt, i have used ziphone maybe 6-9 times (due to some mods i make to my iTouch). But never ever had a problem about the jailbreak part and apps. The fastest way and simplest way to jailbreak my iTouch is Ziphone, i use it. Got problems? Thay all do, iLiberty+, iDemocracy and so ever…
NO NO, i am not ziphone maniac! I have used iLiberty and had no problem with it.
Zibri stole codes? And what do i have to do with that??? Just glad my iTouch is jailbroken, was no cost at all, and YES i’m still in 4.6
BROOKE, i realy dont know why is this post still here! You wanted to warn us about ziphone and its issues? Well this aint the best way, ’cause you know “Bosses” got limitation too…
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And who the heck is bigboss? why should i care for his opinions?
i have my iphone unlocked with ziphone and everything works just fine.
just because some blog post something everyone takes as true fact and all?
come on!
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So no one here cares that the exploit was stolen? Does anyone here have ethics?
You all know that Zibri stole it, you said so yourself, and you continue to give him credit.
If you’re going to use Ziphone, at least give the Dev Team credit for actually finding the exploit Ziphone uses. All Zibri did was bring it out and slap his name on it.
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HITCH on June 17th, 2008 7:10 pm:
ethics?
the exploit was a product of a leak and freedom start in the iphone. the drama in between novary cares.. cause the other methods arent aproved from apple as well . it its the same just with a little more love on it and less painfull drama…
Znite
Braden on June 17th, 2008 9:53 pm:
Please at least attempt to make sense before posting a reply. It makes you sound more ignorant and biased than you already are. Did you understand that? Or do I need to rephrase it using a little less words and punctuation so you could possibly understand?
hitch on June 17th, 2008 10:07 pm:
Sorry but English isnt my native languaje… and i spected that reaction.* from a Z hater.
Braden on June 17th, 2008 11:34 pm:
Been a Zibri/Ziphone hater ever since Ziphone 3.0, and you know what? It feels great.
I personally don’t give a crap if you like risking your phone, but I think I’ll pass.
I have a question….Why does ZiPhone and iL+ and all the others work differently on these phones? Shouldn’t they all act the same? Meks me wonder how many manufacturers there ar making these things. They should all act roughly the same.
Anyway, I find it very interesting that there definately seems to be MORE people here FOR ZiPhone than against it. So you had trouble with it. Did you ever think that maybe it was some other app you installed that caused the problems?
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Braden on June 17th, 2008 9:48 pm:
Uh, no. It couldn’t have been another app I has installed, because I had no apps installed. It was a freshly restored phone.
Jo on June 17th, 2008 10:18 pm:
that’s ur problem branden…. Dont use the restore from iTunes. I know Brooke won’t tell you that. Unfortunately you have to manually re enter ur settings or use the chinese software
Braden on June 17th, 2008 11:41 pm:
Last time I checked, my name was Braden. But I’ll let that slide. After all, you use Ziphone, so what can I expect?
But also, I never restore from a backup in iTunes. I had a COMPLETELY restored phone. I’ll say it again. I had a COMPLETELY restored phone with NO BACKUPS. And Ziphone managed to screw it up twice in a row.
I was “shopping” around for a JB program, reading on their sites, going onto their irc channels. I can honestly say that out all the major ones Ziphone is the most immature one.
The “support” irc channel NEVER gave me any support what so ever when I had asked a few simple questions, they where too busy with their 1337-ness. Ziphone’s help files were crap at best, a copy ‘n’ pasted txt file without much explanations.
Final word: lets just say there are plenty of better options out there then ziphone, and they dont “ask” for donations.
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Hey all,
I’ll add a quick blurb to try to clarify a few points:
1) This post was a warning. If you choose not to heed it that’s your decision. I backed up the warning with ample facts and technical details as to *why* ziphone is dangerous. It is not just out of hating Zibri. Google for the same information you can find that my facts will check out. It’s pretty tough to make up facts with such detail. I have provided enough information that anyone technical should be able to understand it. If you’re not technical, you have no basis to form an opinion one way or the other because you cannot understand the argument therefore you cannot torpedo it. “Ziphone worked for me” is not counter to my warning since I already indicated it will probably work most the time.
2) While I dislike what Zibri did by stealing the original exploit code, that’s not the point. The reason this is brought up is that he did not have the capability to create this exploit on his own. The reason he was first was because the dev team planned to hold this exploit forever to avoid apple patching it. So all you that think he’s so smart for being first, the answer to that is that he was first because he stole other people’s work and packaged it. Not that he was smarter than everyone else. Hope that makes sense.
3) I have used ziphone several times and it has never failed me. But this was before other, safer methods were out. I run a help channel and have had countless folks in there that were “ziphoned”. My warning is to try to pick the method of jailbreak that is least likely to permanently damage your phone.
4) Ziphone failures can be catastrophic (no repair ever). iLiberty, iPlus, pwnage, as far as I know has never ruined a phone to the point it was not repairable. Sure, iLiberty has failed me a few times as well. Yes, I even had no wifi after once. But my phone was never damaged. I was able to restore and redo it and all was fine. Devs that have bad apps that cause a restore – big deal you just restore. This is a bit different than a “ziphoned” phone needing to be tossed in the trash.
5) I know Zibri, talked with him many times back in the day. He had some decent ideas for the 1.1.1 jailbreak back when. He’s not an idiot. However, he *admits* he’s no coder. This is not something he will deny. He’s more a HW guy. Do you want to run system critical code written by someone that admits he cant really code?
6) I’m not a member of the dev team. I’m an independent user when it comes to jailbreaking. I have no personal bias towards one team nor the other. I only wish for people to stop damaging their phones. I do not make $$ one way or the other or really care who uses what. I only offer this information to help. If a few of you listen and avoid ziphone then great, maybe I’ve helped save you some money. For those that choose not to listen, I hope it continues to work well for you.
7) Finally, to those of you that don’t trust me, I say that’s good. You should always do some research not just blindly trust information you find on the internet. I believe if you research my claims you will find nothing that counters it and only find confirmation of my claims.
_BigBoss_
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Jo on June 17th, 2008 11:36 pm:
wow… Well the Boston celtics just won so its a great night. I hope this ends this tread. We are all grown men and women here. I am sure we all know the risk we take when we unlock the phones. I wonder how he is able to update the code to unlock all the versions and work on new ones if he is not a coder.
From what you said the dec guys wanted to hold on to the code. Seems to me the guy is a robin hood. Any ways I have donated to him and will continue to support anyone that helps improve this device. Goodluck.
Well, I’ve been using ZiPhone dozens of times, it never fails me. But when PwnageTool got out I immediately use it, and again it never fails me. They are all use to restore 1.1.4 f/w.
… Until one day I try to restore my friend’s 8GB iPhone. Everything works ok with Pwnage, custom firmware was created. And restoring through iTunes works great. Manage to install like 20 apps or so, but then after that it refuses to install, every application just won’t install (those apps are all tested and it’s in my repo so I know the integrity of the apps). It stucks with the ‘ring of death’, and everytime I have to go through SSH to manually delete the apps to let iphone breath again.
Well, tired of that. I try ZiPhone to restore and guess what it works just fine. Funny!
For my own iPhone I still stick to the custom firmware created by PwnageTool.
I carry both ZiPhone and PwnageTool in my Mac, as a life safer.
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[...] Appleiphoneschool D人搞到嗌晒交咁滯，好多人力證Ziphone最正，突然覺得有少少「朋友」feel，hehe…. [...]
This is a bad propaganda against Ziphone! I bought my iPhone pre-jailbroken with Ziphone and its working like a champ. I was once so intrigued on how to jailbreak one’s iPhone using iLiberty+ (you know, having a Ziphoned iPhone for a long time seems to bore me – I’m not saying it’s giving me problem or whatever – it’s perfect – but I just felt the need to do-it-myself). It installed just fine. But the problem is it has Cydia as a bundled installer (excuse the pun). When I checked Cydia it has no sources there. So I went back to jailbreaking my iPhone AGAIN this time using Ziphone. It installed so easily and I’m done in no time at all. Best of all, it has Installer in there together with a number of sources!
Admit it people, you hate the guy, not his alleged stolen software.
Zibri pwns yo’ as*es and you can’t take it.
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Wow, Looks lige somebody (iphoneschool) is on iLibertys payroll, there goes your neutrality, guess i will have to look elsewhere for unbiased reviews from now on…
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Markisha on June 18th, 2008 5:09 am:
I totally agree!!!
Douglas on June 18th, 2008 8:23 am:
We do not get paid by anyone. We put out this warning for your information. I’ve used ZiPhone many times. I’ve also installed many apps and never had problems but some users have so we put out warnings. This is not biased. It would be if I or BigBoss had our own jailbreak. I promote and continue to promote many different methods for jailbreaking/unlocking. Jailbreaking your iPhone voids your warranty and can always have the potential of damaging your iPhone. This is the risk you take when “hacking” your iPhone, but it’s still worth it!
shoo on June 18th, 2008 9:00 am:
I don’t think they are in anyone’s payroll.
BSD Subsystem had to be totally deleted and rebuilt by another Developer.
Doug I don’t see a warning not to install that!
Bigboss and anyone else that think they have any Zibri probably have a point. The warning itself that the application is bad id false and you know that.Yes Ziphone and other Unlocking tool will harm your phone if you don’t do it correctly. That’s just the truth and you know that…
If if they all have faults, why single one out? that’s the issue and why we everyone is think you all have a take in bring Ziphone down. Look at your poll….almost 3 to 1 with people preferring Ziphone. That’s not an accident. For those that know what to do, it works best, simple and it is easy to use. If the other coders want to compete with Ziphone they should made their app user friendly.
People will pay for some that works and works well.
This post should be removed !!!
I have used Ziphone many times now, and never had a problem i once had a problem i was getting and “Error Message – Iphone needs repair”
But i realised i had just used the wrong USB cable, i was using an Ipod USB cable, changed to the correct cable this fixed issue.
No problems with ziphone….. biased reviews shouldn’t be on this site.
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jk111 on June 18th, 2008 6:32 am:
Ok, that message has nothing to do with a USB cable. Any apple usb cable can be used with the iphone no matter what ipod/iphone it is from.
That message has to do something with the unlocking process.
Really, the iphone needs repair because Zibri broke it!
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Markisha on June 18th, 2008 7:20 am:
Even if the software is not good witch i doubt Zibri didny brake your or anybodys iPhone for that matter, you did it your self! Nobody is forcing you to use ZiPhone!!!
Zibri also steals other people’s code and gives them no credit what so ever.
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Marvin on June 18th, 2008 10:08 am:
Dude, what are you, 12? You’re mad at the guy because he’s a thief? Because he stole somebody elses candy and didn’t even share it? Who the cares if he really even stole it? I couldn’t care less where he got Ziphone! As long as it’s working perfect, hell, he can even steal my car! I just don’t expect to hear these kind of slanderous comments from someone who wasn’t even involved in the coding of Ziphone! I expect to hear this to the real makers of Ziphone (if Zibri is not the real one-I mean who really knew but Zibri and the Dev Team) not from some random guy who had problems with Ziphone in the past-maybe using past, unstable iteration of Ziphone. Why do you even care if doesnt give other people credit? Is it other coders (iLiberty+ – which sucks by the way, pwnage, or whatnot) really know the whole truth – that Ziphone isn’t really that bad after all – that’s why they need the all so important credit? You care about ethics? You have the to say that word in a hacking community? What gives? Really?
Braden on June 18th, 2008 12:14 pm:
Hehe. You’re funny. Obviously, you have mixed definitions if ethics. Hacking my phone doesn’t doesn’t conflict with my ethics. I paid $400 for it, and I’ll do what I want with it. Stealing, like Zibri did, is a different story.
And iLiberty+ sucks? iLiberty has custom payloads, and the option of Cydia. The reason Ziphone is so easy to use is because its soooo mediocre. And its fast because it does everything in the first boot, which could lead to memory corruption. Al others use a second pass to do most of it to avoid this.
HITCH on June 18th, 2008 1:01 pm:
cydia, well sorry but i had very bad experience with that app.. Installer IS and WILL be the best… not a seccond hand wanabe like cydia that specially kills the phone services.. and who knows what els mess inside, on the other hand is a good tool for unix techy users..
Sahil Arora on June 19th, 2008 3:56 pm:
how much do u know about the iphone that u can say ziphone sucks……..im sure u know nothing ……… iLiberty sucks……are you sure?????
Hanckint0sh a most respectful forum says YES ZIPHONE SUCKS, iLIBERTY IS OK AND PWNAGE RULES
HITCH on June 19th, 2008 7:08 pm:
sorry but yes..
jk111 on June 19th, 2008 8:08 pm:
I never said anything about iLiberty or PWNAGE so do not bring that up.
I’ve used ziphone for my 1.1.4 iPhone too.. the only problem i had so far is when i open youtube.. it doesn’t work with ‘edge’ it can only work with ‘wifi’.. does my iphone have any problems? is it normal?
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joe on June 18th, 2008 8:24 am:
“…does my iphone have any problems?”
I think you just answered your own question: “.. it doesnt work with ‘edge’ ”
There’s obviously a problem when some of your phone’s function isnt working.
shoo on June 18th, 2008 9:01 am:
especially if you have the 5.99 tmobilr Internet. If not there is a fix in Installer
vaio on June 18th, 2008 11:52 am:
any idea to fix it?
Forget all your bias for or against. If you understand coding, you’ll understand the warning. A good dev will never take short cuts, just to be called #1. ZiPhone is guilty of this. As for firmware 2.0, programs have already been written, but won’t /shouldn’t be released until the full story on activation of 3g iphone is known.
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lol you should never Funk with your iPhone anyway! you choose to mod a phone that is not meant for you to mod. you will have problems and you will have issues. bigboss is just letting you in on them and what they do or are. smile and deal with it. some one was nice to show you and gave you a way to hack a phone which in all reality no one really knew how to do any way! Smile say thanks to bigboss for doing something that NO ONE HERE really knew how to do any way! LIFE IS GOOD you got a sick phone and free apps….
THANKS BIG BOSS YOUR THE MAN AND THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP!
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Hey Zibri replied.. (google translation)
“However ask IREV that iPhone has repaired hundreds… and I say NEVER NEVER an Iphone was bricked by Ziphone.
In return a bunch of iPhones had some serious baseband problems, others display problems, other power and some interface (connection to the PC) and all got fixed ”
“Obviously since Ziphone ‘has been downloaded by 4 million people, all the faults were blamed to Ziphone especially by the most ignorant.”
These are the words of Zibri, wich probably explain how the allegations of BigBoss are unfounded and, perhaps, the result of envy.
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@arsen – I couldn’t agree with you more, man. You nailed it! Ziphone was, is, and always will be the best iPhone hack out there! All this write up (or down) is nothing but a result of envy!
@braden – Are you kidding me? Cydia? Have you even tried using iLiberty+? Cydia?, no sources whatsoever! How can one download and install an app without a repo/source(s)? What, every time we need an app we need to SSH our phone? Cydia? I don’t know what you’ve been smoking lately but, dude, Cydia? Are you kidding me? Sucks big time if you ask me!
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not to mention you tube……..never worked on any ziphoned iphones iv seen.
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Ahhh..after a day or two I came back to breath in more HATE! The iPhone gods are very disappointed I am sure. Spread Love not JAIL Hate!
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Shame to see this article on this site… Stolen or not, i used zibri more than 300 times on 100 different iphones and never got a tiny bit of problem…
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hello all
i have one of the 1st gen iphone and i reciently tried to update from 1.1.4 to 2.0 sing itunes, the problem is itunes locked my phone and now asking for the origional sincard that came inofder to reactivate, problem is i don’t have it.
i downloaded Ziphone 3.0 inorder to try and reunlock it but itkeeps freezing once the Ziphone gets to the part when it is rebooting the iphone. can some one please help me i have not a clue what to do next.
thanks
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